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Reflections on the Wrath of God (Skeptics Night)


This past Saturday, we had our third “Skeptics Night”; this time addressing the question – isn’t it cruel of God to cast people into hell just for not believing in him? The basic response I gave is that God is not so much casting people into hell against their will, but letting them go. So that if heaven is the loving presence of God, hell is the absence of God’s love. And therefore, hell is simply God giving us what our rebellious hearts want – to flee from him forever. So that hell arises out of our own desires and therefore self-imposed. This is the passive wrath of God (see Romans 1:24).

But there is also the active wrath of God. David in Psalm 139 says, “where shall I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from Your presence?” So that God is present even in hell, in wrath and judgment (see Revelation 14:10). God will forever be angry at evil and injustice, for he is a good and holy God.

And therefore, God will simultaneously rejoice with the saints in heaven and pour out his wrath on sinners in hell – for all eternity. This is a difficult teaching for us. Most of us cannot imagine being both angry and eternally happy, but God is infinitely complex and we will never plumb the depths of his being. We can only cover our mouths with Job and say, “surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know.” (Job 42:3)

In the end, why is the doctrine of hell central to the gospel? Because hell tells us how much God loves us. For Christ, on the cross, drank the cup of God's wrath, to save us and love us. We can never know the love of God until we contemplate the wrath of God.

You can hear the skeptics talk with Q&A here. You can also read about our previous Skeptics Nights here and here.

Last Updated on Thursday, 20 March 2014 11:48

Imago Dei


The IGC mercy study group has been reading through Tim Keller’s Generous Justice. And we’ve been asking ourselves, how can we be a church that loves the poor? One of the resources Christianity gives us is the doctrine of the Imago Dei, man created in the image of God. Genesis tells us, “God created man in his own image,” so that every person, no matter their circumstance or condition, deserves dignity and respect. This was a radical concept in the ancient world, where tribalism, genocide and slavery were simply accepted.

The modern world no longer tolerates such atrocities, holding to the idea of universal human rights. But we often don’t realize that the Western idea of human rights arose out of the Christian teaching on the Imago Dei, the inherent value of every human being made in the image of the Creator God. As we move into a post-Christian world, the very idea of human rights stands on tenuous ground. Many secular philosophers argue that all people deserve dignity because of certain capacities – self-consciousness, the ability to reason, to make moral choices. But who is to say which capacities qualify and in what measure? What if a person has greatly diminished capacities – like someone born with cerebral palsy or severe autism? Is he still deserving of human rights? What about a fetus or someone in terminal illness?

This brings me back to the question: how can we be a church that loves the poor? When we see that every person, no matter their economic circumstance or their job skill-sets or their sociability, bears the image of God, will we love the weak and needy. For Jesus said, “whatever you did for the least, you did for me.” (Matthew 25:40)

Last Updated on Thursday, 13 March 2014 11:32

"This is my body"


So I’ve been reading Given for You by Keith Mathison, which is a fairly lengthy treatment on the Lord’s Supper. Have you ever read a book so that even as you are learning a great deal, you realize how little you actually know? This is one of those topics for me. But I wanted to share one thing I’ve come to appreciate more deeply. Which is why the Lord’s Supper, a picture of our communion with Christ, is a physical meal. Why does our connection to Christ consist of eating bread and drinking wine? Why is it so physical? In John 6, Jesus said he is the true bread from heaven and that unless we eat his flesh and drink his blood, we cannot have eternal life. Just as it was for the Jews, this is difficult imagery for us. But what Jesus means is that he saves us through his body – his bodily death on the cross and his bodily resurrection from the grave. And therefore, we partake of this salvation by physically eating and drinking his body. Therefore, the Lord’s Supper is not just a fitting symbolic picture, it is the meal through which we actually partake in Christ and are united to him.

Last Updated on Thursday, 27 February 2014 10:54

Skeptics Night 2014


So I’ve been reading Tim Keller’s book, Center Church. And he talks about how though we live in a post-Christian world, modern people are nevertheless attracted to the values inherited from our Christian past. I thought it was an interesting point and I’d like to quote the passage at length:

In his history classes, C. John Sommerville used to demonstrate to students how thoroughly Christianized they were, even those who were atheistic or antireligious. He would list the values of shame-and-honor cultures (like those of pagan northern Europe before the advent of Christian missionaries) and include values like pride, a strict ethic of revenge, the instilling of fear, the supreme importance of one’s reputation and name, and loyalty to one’s tribe. Then he would list corresponding Christian values, which had been hitherto unknown to the pagans of Europe – things like humility, forgiveness, peaceableness, and service to others, along with an equal respect for the dignity of all people made in God’s image. Many of Sommerville’s most antireligious students were surprised to learn just how deeply they had been influenced by ways of thinking and living that had grown out of biblical ideas and been passed on to them through complex social and cultural processes. His point was that much of what is good and unique about Western civilization is actually "borrowed capital" from a Christian faith, even though the supernatural elements of the faith have been otherwise neglected of late in the public sphere.

This has relevance to how we do evangelism in a post-Christian world. Christianity is widely seen as retrogressive and oppressive. And yet people are still drawn to the Christian ideals of universal human rights, justice, equity, freedom. We must make our appeal that these values have their strongest foundation in the gospel and not in secularism, and simultaneously, we must address the objections our culture has that makes Christianity no longer a viable option.

We’re going to try to do that at Bodi’s Java café on March 15. I will be addressing the question: Isn’t it cruel of God to cast people into hell just because they don’t believe in him? I encourage you to invite your friends.

Last Updated on Thursday, 13 February 2014 11:42

What does it mean to be a missional church?


We’ve been talking about the vision of our church for 2014 – to be outward-facing.  Another way to say this is that we seek to be a missional church. This term has gained popularity of late but is not well understood.  To be missional means to understand that modern culture has shifted.  America used to be a “Christianized” nation, meaning most people had a general but vague understanding and appreciation of Christianity.  So that evangelism was merely stirring up people to believe what they already knew.  But we now increasingly live in a “post-Christian” world, in which most people have no idea about even the basic elements of the gospel, and moreover, are suspicious of, if not hostile to, Christianity.  In other words, American Christians now find themselves in the same position that Christians in India or Japan face.  All of us live in a mission field.  And therefore, this changes the way we do church, so that our gospel presentation has to be theologically deeper and provide cogent answers to the objections our culture raises.   If we’re going to effectively reach our secular neighbors, we have to adopt a new posture of being “in mission” in every aspect of our lives.   This is an age full of promise, for our situation is more like the early church than in any other period of Western history.  It is an age full of opportunity but with many challenges.

Image: Paul preaching at Mars Hill by Raphael.


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